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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1315</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

Why focus on Berlin? There are plenty of issues regarding gay-rights discrimination right here in the US.  Better yet, just stick to TECH.  You don&#039;t see Jesse Jackson throwing around video card recommendations on his blog, do you?

I cancelled my Fast Company subscription today, and let the editors know it was because of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Why focus on Berlin? There are plenty of issues regarding gay-rights discrimination right here in the US.  Better yet, just stick to TECH.  You don&#8217;t see Jesse Jackson throwing around video card recommendations on his blog, do you?</p>
<p>I cancelled my Fast Company subscription today, and let the editors know it was because of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1257</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon my double posting (this comment was posted on Loren Feldman&#039;s site first) but I think this is important to the discussion and worthy of being posted here too...

You want to know the true irony here? 

Whether people realize it or not the term “Gay” as used in the pejorative is not referring to homosexuals. In fact, it’s used (negatively) in literature as early as the 1800s even though it didn’t begin to be used to refer to homosexuals until the 1920s. 

That’s why the pejorative use of the word is generally used to connote “lameness” as opposed to any trait that is necessarily related to homosexuality. That use is derived from the original meaning of being “Cheery” in that people who are overly cheery are generally considered lame by those around them. 

In fact, a quick trip over to Wikipedia (under “Pejorative non-sexualized usage”) will show you that the British Board of Governors has actually considered the topic and ruled that the word has a dual meaning and that one of those meanings has nothing to do with homosexuality. I quote…

“The word ‘gay’, in addition to being used to mean ‘homosexual’ or ‘carefree’, was often now used to mean ‘lame’ or ‘rubbish’. This is a widespread current usage of the word amongst young people… The word ‘gay’ … need not be offensive… or homophobic”

So when used to refer to a homosexual the word is not a pejorative at all and is in fact descriptive. When used as a pejorative it is not referring to homosexuality. Next time, perhaps Scoble should consult a dictionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon my double posting (this comment was posted on Loren Feldman&#8217;s site first) but I think this is important to the discussion and worthy of being posted here too&#8230;</p>
<p>You want to know the true irony here? </p>
<p>Whether people realize it or not the term “Gay” as used in the pejorative is not referring to homosexuals. In fact, it’s used (negatively) in literature as early as the 1800s even though it didn’t begin to be used to refer to homosexuals until the 1920s. </p>
<p>That’s why the pejorative use of the word is generally used to connote “lameness” as opposed to any trait that is necessarily related to homosexuality. That use is derived from the original meaning of being “Cheery” in that people who are overly cheery are generally considered lame by those around them. </p>
<p>In fact, a quick trip over to Wikipedia (under “Pejorative non-sexualized usage”) will show you that the British Board of Governors has actually considered the topic and ruled that the word has a dual meaning and that one of those meanings has nothing to do with homosexuality. I quote…</p>
<p>“The word ‘gay’, in addition to being used to mean ‘homosexual’ or ‘carefree’, was often now used to mean ‘lame’ or ‘rubbish’. This is a widespread current usage of the word amongst young people… The word ‘gay’ … need not be offensive… or homophobic”</p>
<p>So when used to refer to a homosexual the word is not a pejorative at all and is in fact descriptive. When used as a pejorative it is not referring to homosexuality. Next time, perhaps Scoble should consult a dictionary.</p>
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		<title>By: oliv</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1255</link>
		<dc:creator>oliv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is something I do not undestand :
what is the relation between &quot;gay&quot; as in &quot;not cool&quot; and the nazi ?

Robert if you have troubles with the word gay then create a greasmonkey filter to remove entries which contain it.

Why should you allow this kind of language on comments ? because you are not in your living room, FF is NOT your living room.
FF is open to comments, posting something means allowing comments, this is it. If you want to react to a comment, do it, but overreaction does not serves you, on the contrary. 

And By the way Nazis are (are and not were) not a consequence of people using words against any group, I wonder were this comes from ? a trip to Berlin ? You think that a trip to Berlin allows you to compare anything that you don&#039;t like with Nazis ? come on !

[ using words - even pejorative - against groups never created an ideology ]

About the Nazis :

Once installed Hitler used populism and the anger at the Treaty of Versailles to create an enemy so that people would be focused on something and he would be able to do whatever he wanted (does it sounds familiar to you ? )

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FYI taken from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Racism_and_discrimination : 

....Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and groups, sparked by anger at the Treaty of Versailles and what was considered to have been a Jewish/Communist conspiracy to humiliate Germany at the end of the First World War.....
....The Nazi racial philosophy was influenced by the works of Arthur de Gobineau, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and Madison Grant, and was elaborated by Alfred Rosenberg in the Myth of the Twentieth Century.

....Hitler also claimed that a nation was the highest creation of a “race”, and “great nations” (literally large nations) were the creation of homogeneous populations of “great races” working together.....

....“Races without homelands”, Hitler proclaimed, were “parasitic races”, and the richer the members of a parasitic race were, the more virulent the parasitism was said to be. A master race could therefore, according to the Nazi doctrine, easily strengthen itself by eliminating parasitic races from its homeland. This idea was the given rationalization for the Nazis’ later oppression and elimination of Jews, Gypsies, Czechs, Poles, the mentally and physically handicapped, homosexuals and others not belonging to these groups or categories that were part of the Holocaust.......
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it&#039;s all about ideology and a political view he only had one goal : rule the world !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is something I do not undestand :<br />
what is the relation between &#8220;gay&#8221; as in &#8220;not cool&#8221; and the nazi ?</p>
<p>Robert if you have troubles with the word gay then create a greasmonkey filter to remove entries which contain it.</p>
<p>Why should you allow this kind of language on comments ? because you are not in your living room, FF is NOT your living room.<br />
FF is open to comments, posting something means allowing comments, this is it. If you want to react to a comment, do it, but overreaction does not serves you, on the contrary. </p>
<p>And By the way Nazis are (are and not were) not a consequence of people using words against any group, I wonder were this comes from ? a trip to Berlin ? You think that a trip to Berlin allows you to compare anything that you don&#8217;t like with Nazis ? come on !</p>
<p>[ using words - even pejorative - against groups never created an ideology ]</p>
<p>About the Nazis :</p>
<p>Once installed Hitler used populism and the anger at the Treaty of Versailles to create an enemy so that people would be focused on something and he would be able to do whatever he wanted (does it sounds familiar to you ? )</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- start of quote &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
FYI taken from Wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Racism_and_discrimination" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Racism_and_discrimination</a> : </p>
<p>&#8230;.Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and groups, sparked by anger at the Treaty of Versailles and what was considered to have been a Jewish/Communist conspiracy to humiliate Germany at the end of the First World War&#8230;..<br />
&#8230;.The Nazi racial philosophy was influenced by the works of Arthur de Gobineau, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and Madison Grant, and was elaborated by Alfred Rosenberg in the Myth of the Twentieth Century.</p>
<p>&#8230;.Hitler also claimed that a nation was the highest creation of a “race”, and “great nations” (literally large nations) were the creation of homogeneous populations of “great races” working together&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;.“Races without homelands”, Hitler proclaimed, were “parasitic races”, and the richer the members of a parasitic race were, the more virulent the parasitism was said to be. A master race could therefore, according to the Nazi doctrine, easily strengthen itself by eliminating parasitic races from its homeland. This idea was the given rationalization for the Nazis’ later oppression and elimination of Jews, Gypsies, Czechs, Poles, the mentally and physically handicapped, homosexuals and others not belonging to these groups or categories that were part of the Holocaust&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; end of quote &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s all about ideology and a political view he only had one goal : rule the world !</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Feldman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it&#039;s not Robert. My point is still perfectly valid regarding the use of the word gay, and your complete inappropriateness in comparing David&#039;s use of the word gay and Nazi Germany. In terms of your family history and their nobility in speaking out against Nazis, I assure you the price they paid was far less than the others you speak about including my own. If I were you now is about the time to just be quiet on this matter..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it&#8217;s not Robert. My point is still perfectly valid regarding the use of the word gay, and your complete inappropriateness in comparing David&#8217;s use of the word gay and Nazi Germany. In terms of your family history and their nobility in speaking out against Nazis, I assure you the price they paid was far less than the others you speak about including my own. If I were you now is about the time to just be quiet on this matter..</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane: maybe you need some perspective. Why don&#039;t you come to Berlin with me next time and we&#039;ll talk about these things in context. You might also look into my family history. My great grandfather was arrested by the Nazis for speaking out against them. 

Loren: that whole thread happened in, what, three minutes? For you to take it out of context (and misquote me, nonetheless, your quote about my use of David was totally wrong) is just as disrespectful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane: maybe you need some perspective. Why don&#8217;t you come to Berlin with me next time and we&#8217;ll talk about these things in context. You might also look into my family history. My great grandfather was arrested by the Nazis for speaking out against them. </p>
<p>Loren: that whole thread happened in, what, three minutes? For you to take it out of context (and misquote me, nonetheless, your quote about my use of David was totally wrong) is just as disrespectful.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1247</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And all this time I took &#039;gay&#039; to mean happy and joyful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And all this time I took &#8216;gay&#8217; to mean happy and joyful.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Feldman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

You can block whomever you like. The point is the word Gay can mean many things depending on context. It was apparent to any normal reader that David did not mean harm to gay people. Gay can mean just not cool. People communicate in many ways and for you to totally misunderstand him and then berate him via your knowledge of Nazi history because of your trip to Berlin is idiotic. That aside language and the proper use of it is not an area in which you should be lecturing people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>You can block whomever you like. The point is the word Gay can mean many things depending on context. It was apparent to any normal reader that David did not mean harm to gay people. Gay can mean just not cool. People communicate in many ways and for you to totally misunderstand him and then berate him via your knowledge of Nazi history because of your trip to Berlin is idiotic. That aside language and the proper use of it is not an area in which you should be lecturing people.</p>
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		<title>By: faboomama</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>faboomama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. You&#039;re still defending the use of a derogatory term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. You&#39;re still defending the use of a derogatory term.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really turned off by Scoble&#039;s harsh, knee-jerk reaction.  He needs some perspective in his life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really turned off by Scoble&#8217;s harsh, knee-jerk reaction.  He needs some perspective in his life!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/2008/09/02/political-correctness-goes-overboard-on-friendfeed/comment-page-1/#comment-1244</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren: how is a &quot;block&quot; censoring? It doesn&#039;t keep other people from seeing his content. It just keeps it out of my view. I don&#039;t allow that kind of language to be used in my living room, why should I allow it to be on my screen? 

tehKenny: a &quot;block&quot; is a perfect instrument for removing people from your view and keeping them from interacting with you further.

More on Louis Gray&#039;s post here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/e/8ed0aa8f-0d0e-523e-11c8-0d5bf1cc7ae1/Political-Correctness-Goes-Overboard-on/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren: how is a &#8220;block&#8221; censoring? It doesn&#8217;t keep other people from seeing his content. It just keeps it out of my view. I don&#8217;t allow that kind of language to be used in my living room, why should I allow it to be on my screen? </p>
<p>tehKenny: a &#8220;block&#8221; is a perfect instrument for removing people from your view and keeping them from interacting with you further.</p>
<p>More on Louis Gray&#8217;s post here: <a href="http://beta.friendfeed.com/e/8ed0aa8f-0d0e-523e-11c8-0d5bf1cc7ae1/Political-Correctness-Goes-Overboard-on/" rel="nofollow">http://beta.friendfeed.com/e/8ed0aa8f-0d0e-523e-11c8-0d5bf1cc7ae1/Political-Correctness-Goes-Overboard-on/</a></p>
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