Great post. I was just talking about the differences about these two with someone last week, and we wanted to test both. I totally agree with you on this one David.

no worth any penny if that the case,
im still not involved in video thing..
but maybe it could be useful some
other time..

Thanks for the info. As soon as I get my flip video camera (waiting for it to arrive from Amazon), then I will start using Tubemogul.

Hey David thanks for the great information, l was wondering these question, thankfully l haven’t had to test my self, thanks for the great Christmas present saved me over $97 been in Australia it would cost me way over $120 a month

I was looking for video service just last week, I will be looking into the list and look into it…

Thanks David for the insight, I had not heard of TG, but am familiar with Tube. I just don’t use it. I know, shoot me know. Yes, I am a video blogger, not sure why I don’t use Tube. I will start soon.

Still getting the hang of all of this stuff and loving it in the process.

Thanks for the info!

Thanks for the information, I am only using video on a very small level, but I do have plans to implement it more soon.

And I was considering purchasing Traffic Geyser because of all the hype around the internet marketing circles.

David

This is the ARTICLE I have been HANGING OUT for. Now I know the truth for sure. I thought all this MIGHT be the case, now I know. Top value my man. In fact I’m going to Tweet it out to my 1400 followers on Twitter RIGHT NOW.

I have 3ccd Panasonic / Flip cam for on the fly, plus iMac post prod, so do all my own video. Now I know where to upload it.

Jonathan

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Thanks for the shout-out, John. Much appreciated, and glad you liked the article.

David,
Bang On! I always believe that a True Internet Marketer gives his heart to the world then in so doing he becomes Blessed. You could have easily become a Traffic Geyser affiliate and say it’s great -sign up for it now! Instead you’ve done the Honest thing and spoke Hard Truth as I have always done.

Times like these up-coming Internet Marketers need these FREE utilities, resources etc. to help them on-line

Why Spend when you don’t have to?
THANKS Man! - I’ll Tweet it & Blast to My 20,204 Opt-ins

-God Bless
Devereaux

Im so glad you wrote this article and busted Frank Kerns chops.

I felt like his crap was just that,….crap.!!!

thanks.

digerati: I never said Kern’s stuff was crap. In fact, it isn’t. I’ve used Kern’s stuff and it is actually very good stuff.

I’m only referring to Traffic Geyser, which is not Kern’s product as far as I know.

David thanks for your honesty, instead of making $1,000’s through affiliate sales you tell like you found it.

You have just gained a subscriber and a fan.
Now for some word of mouth. Cheers, Brendan

Great advice, and well said. I don’t think this particular category of software is a solved problem yet, but TubeMogul does seem like the best choice today.

Hi David- You are right on point. I have created, produced and uploaded over 130 educational videos about New York medical malpractice, wrongful death and personal injury law.

I spent a long time debating whether to make the jump from tubemogul to traffic geyser. My conclusion was the same one you reached. Tubemogul rocks and traffic geyser, although it comes with a lot of hype, is not for me.

Keep telling it like it is.

[...] new here, you might want to subscribe to the RSS feed for updates on this topic.Several days ago, I compared Traffic Geyser to TubeMogul and threw my wholehearted support behind TubeMogul. I stand by that totally, but there is a caveat [...]

The difference between TubeMogul and Traffic Geyser shouldn’t be measured by cost or the number of “quality” video sites they each upload to…

The difference needs to be results based. Ultimately since you’re comparing the free TM to the $100/month TG it is only fair to take into account the cost as well.

This amount of time, at this cost/month produced this much revenue. THAT’s the comparison that is relevant to me.

Traffic Geyser does have some extra features as pointed out — but the big one isn’t converting videos to podcast audios (although that is convenient and ultimates saves time which equals money).

The big thing (to me) is the mass amount of pinging, social bookmarking, and feed creation that happens with Traffic Geyser.

Now, this “benefit” has to be worth something. I’ve seen the short term organic search impact of bookmarking, feed aggregation, and pinging in terms of $$$’s. I made a leap of faith that it would be the same with video and hence prefer TG to TM.

But… to be fair this depends on a few things. Depending on how many videos you do a month it may be cheaper to pay someone to do all the bookmarking for you manually or with a tool like nuke.

Dave, the thing to keep in mind with that is that if you have a robot submitting everything you do to social bookmarking sites, it is considered spamming and will dilute the effect of your profiles on those sites. It is SOCIAL media.

TubeMogul does have shortcuts for submitting to social media sites. But, it isn’t automatic and that is proper, IMO.
Anybody who wants everything auto-submitted to social bookmarking sites just doesn’t understand social media.

Hey I use both and I think they work well 2gether.

Have a Happy New Years

[...] my recent research into Traffic Geyser and TubeMogul, I’ve learned a little bit about the inside of how these video sites work. I even had a phone [...]

Great post dude! Thanks for this one! As someone who uses video as a MAJOR part of my online activities…I had been looking at TG but I just couldn’t justify the price for myself with TM being free.

I always said I wanted to “upgrade” to TG but this is a great review of what actually is inside the system. I like the podcast creation feature…as that just gets your content out more…but I will see if there is other things that can do that. I’m sure most video editors can export just the audio of a video.

thanks dude…you’re talkin right up my alley man.

Great review… I will give Traffic Geyser a test-go though, just wished TubeMogul has a bit more competition on their hands as it would make them drop their price of entry (membership wise) down and maybe even expand their offerings which are always getting bigger by the month!

Jon
http://DreamClue.com ..get the message!

I was searching for the cost of TG when I came upon your listing. Glad I did. Thank you for your post.

Thank you Dave for your knowledgeable totally valid comments. There are many points of interest some of us could not be aware of unless we are acutally in these systems.

Perhaps some ‘marketers’ simply don’t want to understand the concepts of Social Sites, but we all agree on one thing: they are great for marketing. For this reason it’s a blessing that most people who use Social Sites do so for it’s intended purpose.

TG is probably good for technophobes like me. I want to podcast but don’t know how and I want to do it quick and easy via iphone. The other benefits are certainly useful too.

I’ll sit on the fence meantime while I learn what TM is about…apparently does not help with stripping audio tho.

Thanks David.

Hi,
The one thing I hate about TubeMogul is that it doesn’t upload to Myspace or Facebook. That’s where the real viewer loyalty is coming from. Sure youtube is #1, but myspace and facebook are the most important after that, because those sites are about relationships. They are the foundation of all online networking right now.

What about HeySpread.com? I don’t post as many videos as you, and I haven’t given them any money yet. But if I can upload to the 5 highest watched video sites, and only pay $0.50 per video, then for me, that’s worth it. Especially if I can upload to Myspace and Facebook.

Thoughts?

Mark

Well, I have been using T Geyser for 8 months or so. I really do think it is an amazing service. If you are REALLY into video, and that is your gig, it really can work well. You can spend a lot of time in there figuring stuff out.

Now, I did notice that many of my submissions did rank in the first couple pages for a time in Google. However, on my main sites’ traffic…well, it really did not increase all that much over the usual. It’s a bummer you can not track who watches, then visits your site.

I would say that it made a difference, and is cool, BUT!!!

Here is the BUT…

At the same time I also did TubeMogul.

Using the same keywords, I noticed them ranking too, and in sites that mattered.

So, If it was like a $37/mo tool, I think I would keep it. It really is super cool how easy they make things, store videos, create RSS, etc… They DO know what they are doing and this is something VERY different than TubeMogel.

So, TG is excellent.

BUT… did it make a difference on my traffic or bottom line? I am not so sure.

I am going to use TubeMogul exclusively now and give Traffic Geyser a rest.

Who knows? I may go back. I can always plop my accounts back in there and start over.

OH! Mogul DOES upload to MySpace (response to person above)

So, I love Traffic Geyser, but at $100, I did not really see it explode my traffic. And I did solid KW research too.

I haven’t tried TubeMogul yet, but I have tried Traffic Geyser and one thing is very obvious: in spite of Traffic Geyser pitching this as quick and easy, there is NOTHING quick and easy about any part of this. Customer service is lame (and only via email - no phone support) and many of the pages are poorly designed. The ‘training’ videos are almost useless since they jump back and forth between topics. The concept is great but you’ll need a LOT of patience.

I’ve just started using TubeMogul and hit their 100 submissions a month within a week. That’s 100 sites submitted to, not 100 videos…

I enquired about their premium services, they start at $1000 per month for 500 submissions.

Time to start pruning down the list of sites I submit to? I’d like to produce more than 5 or 6 videos a month!

I have had Traffic Geyser for about a year and am satisfied with their results. I use it mainly to drive traffic to a brick and mortar repair shop and it works. I don’t begin to use up the submission credits each month which are 3500, That is 3500 videos submitted and accepted by a site. One feature that Traffic Geyser has that I really like is the ability to submit the same video with minor changes to the sites a week apart. I disagree with those that think the training is bad. I got started making videos with the training that they gave. Have found that great videos are not required. Since I started I have upgraded to Sony Vagas and Camtasia.

I would have to rate them, Traffic Geyser, a 8.5 on a scale of 0 to 10. That is right next to the training given by Rich Schefren.

Charles L. Evans
Rattlesnake Mountain Enterprises Inc.

I have been trying out traffic geyser for the past two days, I was also told it was the end all be all. I went into it slightly skeptical and loyal to my personal choices. I was won over by the interface and the ease of the automation, that was until I noticed that none of the videos even made it!. After checking the successful uploads, I can see that the video was only posted to Google and Yahoo. I would assume that the sharing sites are wise to the ip block of TG, or something like that. I posted totally non spammy home videos made with a Mino HD, and none of them made it.

This is a clear case of the “Guru” incest that goes on. Do not bother with Traffic Geyser. Behind the polished exterior is a piece of junk..

This comment is to Benjamin P.
I think that you did not follow directions on how to set up your Traffic Geyser accounts. It takes a good 4 or 6 hours to set up all of the accounts correctly. I made that mistake when I first got Traffic Geyser. If you set up your accounts correctly and follow up on the various sites to establish the account it works very well.

I get over an 80% success rate on my uploads and they are all commercially oriented. In less than a month I went from not being ranked in Google for my repair business to the top ten for my keyword search phrase. This was for a Google total of over 400,000 entries. This one thing alone makes Traffic Geyser a plus for me.

I just wish that I had more time and more staff to work the program harder.

Good Luck,
Bud

When I am wrong, I will admit it. In this case, I may have been wrong. I think that the issue is the ‘human approval’ delay. I am seeing some of the videos appear today. I am not ready to replace the systems I have in place with Traffic Geyser, however, it looked to me like it was giving false positives, and I think that in fact, that might have been me just jumping the gun.

I just canceled my TG account. It doesn’t work any more like it used to. Several months ago I could get on the first page of Google in a couple of days — and sometimes, many times on the first page.

It doesn’t seem to be working that way now. In the last two months I have over 300 submissions… and no listings on the first page???

Me too! I had traffic Geyser for nearly three months. I had the 1 one 1 training before I even submitted my first video. I read their news. I email help desk more than 10 times to figure out why I not ranking. I had watched their training video and had no success. I even read their training guide.

[...] an example, I raised eyebrows on this blog several months ago by declaring Traffic Geyser a waste of time and money. I ended up getting a very well-written email from the CEO of Traffic [...]

I wondered why my accounts kept getting suspended with Tubemogul. I did not post any violent, sexual, copyrighted material. I read all the rules. I still couldn’t figure out why they kept suspending my accounts, of course when 1 account was closed on me, I simply opened a new one and then another. Had 3 accounts all together with 3 different excuses. The real excuse should have been in their TOS. I read above where they are charging $1,000 a month!!!! That is nuts. I think its a ploy to get you to go to Traffic Geyser because Tubemogul is partnered with Traffic Geyser now.

They have me 3 excuses why. I was first told I was submitting too many videos and I had only submitted 2 videos in a 2 week time period. Then I was told that some of the sites I submitted to that they had rejected my videos, I checked all the sites and that was just not true, they were all up. Then I was video spamming. So, I contacted them and thats when they told me that we could not use it for any promotional uses and they had partnered up with Traffic Gyser and that I should go with them.

My comment is,I am new guy on the block,it seems that there is a conflict of intrest if traffic geyser and Tubemugal are joined at the hip,they could be classed as scammers??if this sort of thing is going on,there is some very sneaky people on the net,I mean realy sneaky people,regards,Norm Bush

Jody. This is the first comment I have seen remotely close to this. Can you paste the email telling you that they have partnered with TubeMogul. I have not encountered any of the same problems you have, but if I am going to, I would like to prepare myself.

Actually what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. TubeMoguls TOS is very clear that the purpose of TubeMogul is video marketing.

I don’t know about anyone else put I have had great success with Traffic Geyser. I like their lead page generator and the other tutorials. In my opinion they are effective. I use Traffic Geyser for exposure for my brick and mortar repair business. My keyword search phrase is “auto repair tri cities washington.” We posted a couple of new videos on changing your own oil last week and with in a couple of days these videos were number two and number 7 (I believe) on Google for the primary keyword search phrase. There were 51,000 searches for that keyword phrase last month. I have gotten 2 to 3 new jobs a month from this usage plus it keeps my old customers in the loop.

I know that for local businesses and promoting local businesses Traffic Geyser is a bargain compared to what it costs to generate leads by other methods for brick and mortar business.

These folks are on the cutting edge of the new wave of business creation for the established small main street business. It has been very profitable for me.

I am experimenting using it for my affiliate advertising. The one lesson that I have learned is do your keyword research.

I’ve been using TG for about 1 year now and it’s working wonders for me and my clients. I’ve had a lot of success and owe it to Traffic Geyser. You have to do your keyword research and make sure you’re descriptions are correct in order for it to work the way it should. If you don’t you’re not going to have much success.

I know this article contains very useful information. For the reasons David cites aove I too do not use Traffic Geyser. However I recently made a video exposing broadcasters who use Traffic Geyser and similar programs to cheat YouTube with fake comments, ratings and favorites.

I noticed a few videos suddenly appear on p1 of YouTube and Google. Closer inspection revealed:
…One video had 1500 views BUT over 1000 comments!
…Another had over 50 fake 5 star ratings!
…Still another had been favorited over 50 times!

These are unheard of statistics in this particular video niche.

This was all done to game YouTube and Google. So Traffic Geyser et al are not only submission services; they cheat YouTube and Google with phony comments, ratings and favoriting features.

I haven’t looked at TG in a while, but their service had nothing to do with gaming video sites. There are plenty of programs out there for artificially inflating views and spamming comments etc.

I am not a fan of traffic geyser, but they are not a spamming service. You are mis-informing people and not doing a service to anyone.

I would really like to know how Traffic Geyser could do this for the number of accounts that they have. It may have been done for one site. That does not explain how a small repair shop like mine could end up with two videos in the number 2 and number 7 spot on Google for chosen key words. They don’t stay there but I can get them back to that position any time I want to.

Traffic Geyser is a dream come true for promoting local business. It works.
Charles L. Evans
http://redneckaffiliatenaire.com

I just sign up with trafficgeyser because it seem to be getting alot of hype. So far it’s been real pain because it take a day just to upload a video where tubemogul take about a hour or two depending on your status but i think i’am going to stick with tubemogul.. Great post

I read the article, every comment, use both TG and TM and own a online video marketing business.

1)There is a lot of blatant misinformation being tossed around about both TG and TM but mostly TG.

2)100/month is a bargain for my situation. It’s also a bargain for business owners like Charles Evans who posted about his repair shop. Compared to spending thousands on traditional advertising, online video marketing is stupidly cheap. Hell I got a logo, biz card, post card, and some printing done and it was $750.

My first client is a window tinting business here in Indianapolis. His videos are always on the first page of Google (TG and TM vids). Go ahead and search Indianapolis Window Tinting right now and see. There will probably even be thumbnails for the vids. You can also check my site for a video testimonial. http://www.getvidloader.com

I’m about to add my 2nd 3rd and 4th window tinting clients (the niche loves it). And I’m also about to begin work for a surgeon with operations in 5 US markets.(medical is keyword rich) My point is that video marketing is still “working”.

Bottom line: If you want to upload videos of your kids or your dodge ball match then use the free solution. If you want the best possible outcome for business USE BOTH.

My final thought - don’t believe everything you read, question the source.