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		<title>By: marry smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>marry smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so usefull article, i like it so much</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so usefull article, i like it so much</p>
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		<title>By: Constantin Gabor</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/wordpress-thesis/comment-page-2/#comment-17467</link>
		<dc:creator>Constantin Gabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt replied on Twitter to me ans said there are a tons of developers out there making money with premium themes (better than Thesis) under GPL. So if this is true I don&#039;t see why he&#039;s taking the trouble to harass Chris.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems that Chris is loosing an opportunity to make &quot;tons of money&quot; under the GPL so why does Matt care?! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This whole thing is silly and the fact that it makes Chris look &quot;bad&quot; is even worse... Especially for Matt is worse as he points the finger to a good guy who did an awesome job with Thesis - and as you said is his right to charge for that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I really don&#039;t see how the WP community is suffering..?! Nobody is suffering coz Thesis costs money since there are other products out there for free. As long as people can choose free pr paid themes it&#039;s normal that developers could also chose too whether their work goes out for free or not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I used to think Matt is a generous guy. The fact that he wants to dictate what WP software goes GPL feels like a dictatorship. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I stress the fact that the community is okay with Thesis being proprietary (and those who aren&#039;t okay with that and want to have it for free... well those are not cool - and I wonder how would they feel if their work, no matter what field, will fall under GPL all of a sudden).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Matt, stay cool as you used to be! Chris, keep doing an awesome job!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am okay paying for stuff as well as taking it for free as long as the creator of that stuff gives it away for free. I don&#039;t use Thesis, I don&#039;t even use WordPress but I love honesty, common sense and business. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The next thing we may hear is that all content on WordPress is GPL... - take it, duplicate it, sell it as your own - it&#039;s on WP so is GPL.... :-&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt replied on Twitter to me ans said there are a tons of developers out there making money with premium themes (better than Thesis) under GPL. So if this is true I don&#39;t see why he&#39;s taking the trouble to harass Chris.</p>
<p>It seems that Chris is loosing an opportunity to make &#8220;tons of money&#8221; under the GPL so why does Matt care?! </p>
<p>This whole thing is silly and the fact that it makes Chris look &#8220;bad&#8221; is even worse&#8230; Especially for Matt is worse as he points the finger to a good guy who did an awesome job with Thesis &#8211; and as you said is his right to charge for that.</p>
<p>And I really don&#39;t see how the WP community is suffering..?! Nobody is suffering coz Thesis costs money since there are other products out there for free. As long as people can choose free pr paid themes it&#39;s normal that developers could also chose too whether their work goes out for free or not.</p>
<p>I used to think Matt is a generous guy. The fact that he wants to dictate what WP software goes GPL feels like a dictatorship. </p>
<p>I stress the fact that the community is okay with Thesis being proprietary (and those who aren&#39;t okay with that and want to have it for free&#8230; well those are not cool &#8211; and I wonder how would they feel if their work, no matter what field, will fall under GPL all of a sudden).</p>
<p>Matt, stay cool as you used to be! Chris, keep doing an awesome job!</p>
<p>I am okay paying for stuff as well as taking it for free as long as the creator of that stuff gives it away for free. I don&#39;t use Thesis, I don&#39;t even use WordPress but I love honesty, common sense and business. </p>
<p>The next thing we may hear is that all content on WordPress is GPL&#8230; &#8211; take it, duplicate it, sell it as your own &#8211; it&#39;s on WP so is GPL&#8230;. <img src='http://davidrisley.pcmediainc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':-|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hangen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Hangen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be, but I&#039;d like to know for sure...especially if I were a WP dev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be, but I&#39;d like to know for sure&#8230;especially if I were a WP dev.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/wordpress-thesis/comment-page-2/#comment-17449</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is, how is there absolutely zero protection for the themes? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Technically speaking the GPL only applies to the code, not to the images used. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So the theme developers can still issue a cease-and-desist if the theme is distributed by someone else without permission because of the images, javascript, and css files used...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#39;t understand is, how is there absolutely zero protection for the themes? </p>
<p>Technically speaking the GPL only applies to the code, not to the images used. </p>
<p>So the theme developers can still issue a cease-and-desist if the theme is distributed by someone else without permission because of the images, javascript, and css files used&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Griffiths</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/wordpress-thesis/comment-page-2/#comment-17423</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Griffiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe a suite by WordPress against Thesis or any other non-GPL theme will affect any project built for clients.  The two are not the same.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We looked long and hard at the GPL issue and only recently put Headway under the GPL as a split/dual license.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as telling someone what license they should be using.  If you look at license law, it is usually the case that a product built that communicates and works with another product, inherits that products license.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let me just say, I am not in complete agreement that every piece of work is automatically brought under the other product&#039;s license.  It is very clear this is a topic that has not been decided by the courts.  If the WordPress vs. Thesis argument goes to court, perhaps we will have an answer once and for all.  However, I hope it does not come to that.  A court case , no matter the outcome is not going to be good for either WordPress nor Thesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe a suite by WordPress against Thesis or any other non-GPL theme will affect any project built for clients.  The two are not the same.  </p>
<p>We looked long and hard at the GPL issue and only recently put Headway under the GPL as a split/dual license.  </p>
<p>As far as telling someone what license they should be using.  If you look at license law, it is usually the case that a product built that communicates and works with another product, inherits that products license.  </p>
<p>Let me just say, I am not in complete agreement that every piece of work is automatically brought under the other product&#39;s license.  It is very clear this is a topic that has not been decided by the courts.  If the WordPress vs. Thesis argument goes to court, perhaps we will have an answer once and for all.  However, I hope it does not come to that.  A court case , no matter the outcome is not going to be good for either WordPress nor Thesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Griffiths</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Griffiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not the case. A project built for a client is not a public distributed product. It is a private project and does not fall under the GPL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not the case. A project built for a client is not a public distributed product. It is a private project and does not fall under the GPL.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Griffiths</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/wordpress-thesis/comment-page-2/#comment-22066</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Griffiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of right now, Headway Themes is a split license.  Only that code which communicates directly with WordPress falls under the GPL. All other code, javascript, custom.css and images are under our own license.  This is similar to how Press75.com does their license.  And according to Matt, a split or dual license is completely &quot;legal under the GPL.&quot;

What too many see with the GPL is that they should get the product for free. This is simply not the case.  No where in the GPL is a developer not allowed to sell their product for money.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of right now, Headway Themes is a split license.  Only that code which communicates directly with WordPress falls under the GPL. All other code, javascript, custom.css and images are under our own license.  This is similar to how Press75.com does their license.  And according to Matt, a split or dual license is completely &#8220;legal under the GPL.&#8221;</p>
<p>What too many see with the GPL is that they should get the product for free. This is simply not the case.  No where in the GPL is a developer not allowed to sell their product for money.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/wordpress-thesis/comment-page-2/#comment-17412</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 06:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What specific value has Thesis has given to the WordPress community as a whole? (I just like to hear some specifics) I&#039;ve seen this mentioned by a couple of people and having used Thesis myself as a developer for clients who bought Thesis I fail to understand it&#039;s magnificent contributions. Maybe someone could enlighten me. From my clients experiences, what I get is that they feel Thesis is good for SEO (but without them knowing the ins and out of SEO it&#039;s hard to verify), they think it stands for quality because it is premium, they think it is flexible but they don&#039;t know how to tweak it. The only thing I have noticed is that they appear to have good support - can&#039;t even vouch for that because I&#039;ve had clients come to me to tweak their Thesis themes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is kind of ridiculous in comparison to the hundreds of developers out there that have contributed in there own ways. There are free plugins out there that have made more impact than Thesis - just because Pearson has made a thriving business for himself doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s made a more noteworthy contribution to the WordPress community as a whole compared to the hundreds of plugin devs, theme devs and WP code contributors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What specific value has Thesis has given to the WordPress community as a whole? (I just like to hear some specifics) I&#39;ve seen this mentioned by a couple of people and having used Thesis myself as a developer for clients who bought Thesis I fail to understand it&#39;s magnificent contributions. Maybe someone could enlighten me. From my clients experiences, what I get is that they feel Thesis is good for SEO (but without them knowing the ins and out of SEO it&#39;s hard to verify), they think it stands for quality because it is premium, they think it is flexible but they don&#39;t know how to tweak it. The only thing I have noticed is that they appear to have good support &#8211; can&#39;t even vouch for that because I&#39;ve had clients come to me to tweak their Thesis themes.</p>
<p>It is kind of ridiculous in comparison to the hundreds of developers out there that have contributed in there own ways. There are free plugins out there that have made more impact than Thesis &#8211; just because Pearson has made a thriving business for himself doesn&#39;t mean he&#39;s made a more noteworthy contribution to the WordPress community as a whole compared to the hundreds of plugin devs, theme devs and WP code contributors.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.davidrisley.com/wordpress-thesis/comment-page-2/#comment-17411</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 05:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not that complex. GPL licensed premium themes or plugins do not impede on profits in comparison to other licenses (and maybe the reverse is true). Just aim to do business with honest people (who want to pay for good solutions) and realize that those that do abuse will do so regardless of a license. And like Matt and Andy have referred to, you still own your trademark so if somebody falsely uses your premium product, you still have a way of protecting your work. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think it is that beneficial to make WP sound like it is aggressive toward developers. It isn&#039;t. Thesis is a super small minority that breaks with GPL (headway already has switched). And to be quite honest, without an open license like GPL WordPress wouldn&#039;t have grown to the point it is. Matt has tried for over 2 years to persuade Chris Pearson and he doesn&#039;t want to sue, that&#039;s why I think he&#039;s doing everything he can to persuade Chris through other forms (he was very passive up until recent weeks). Whether it is an effective tactic is another matter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Keep in mind that Matt is also protecting the integrity of what has made WP a great open community and all of its contributors (that embrace the philosophy of WordPress). If you listen to the Mixergy interview Matt&#039;s tweets are more understandable. If they were hostile, they would have sued two years ago and Thesis would never have enjoyed anywhere near its success it has today. For a better understanding of Pearsons general attitude toward WordPress, listen to the Mixergy interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s not that complex. GPL licensed premium themes or plugins do not impede on profits in comparison to other licenses (and maybe the reverse is true). Just aim to do business with honest people (who want to pay for good solutions) and realize that those that do abuse will do so regardless of a license. And like Matt and Andy have referred to, you still own your trademark so if somebody falsely uses your premium product, you still have a way of protecting your work. </p>
<p>I don&#39;t think it is that beneficial to make WP sound like it is aggressive toward developers. It isn&#39;t. Thesis is a super small minority that breaks with GPL (headway already has switched). And to be quite honest, without an open license like GPL WordPress wouldn&#39;t have grown to the point it is. Matt has tried for over 2 years to persuade Chris Pearson and he doesn&#39;t want to sue, that&#39;s why I think he&#39;s doing everything he can to persuade Chris through other forms (he was very passive up until recent weeks). Whether it is an effective tactic is another matter.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that Matt is also protecting the integrity of what has made WP a great open community and all of its contributors (that embrace the philosophy of WordPress). If you listen to the Mixergy interview Matt&#39;s tweets are more understandable. If they were hostile, they would have sued two years ago and Thesis would never have enjoyed anywhere near its success it has today. For a better understanding of Pearsons general attitude toward WordPress, listen to the Mixergy interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In cases like this, it might be possible to sue for trademark infringement. Matt suggested this in the interview with Chris on mixergy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In cases like this, it might be possible to sue for trademark infringement. Matt suggested this in the interview with Chris on mixergy.</p>
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